The last ostrich is right though.
But I do believe in action against ISIS.
'US policy created ISIS' is 100% true. ISIS is the functional equivalent of a false flag. The US government trained them, funded them, then let the Mad Dog off the leash and pretended they were shocked when it bit the world.
'Isn't this what they wanted? What they bargained for? They create a problem so they can offer a solution. They scare us, then offer relief, and we fall on our knees in gratitude. They create a war, promise peace, and we walk into their traps, like mice.
Recognizing problems for that they are ahead of time and advocating an end to the cycle that propagates them in the first place?
Nah, clearly you’re just sticking your head in the sand. Give me your money for the war tho.
Not only did we help create ISIS, but attacks against ISIS are already being used as a recruiting tool for ISIS.
Children, gather around so I can explain something to you.
The Islamic State has been recruiting Muslims from across the globe before the US began its bombing campaign. They are still recruiting people, even from the US, because they believe in the Islamic caliphate…not because the United States is involved.
This has very little to do with the United States, even when we were involved in the rebel factions against Assad in Syria. The caliphate is the ultimate goal of all radical Islamists, no matter where they happen to be or come from. They will always hate the west and other religions, because that’s their belief system. It does not matter if we have a presence there or not. And it sure as hell isn’t any of this “false flag” nonsense.
September 11, 2001 was a couple months before my 18th birthday. We very quickly invaded Afghanistan in the following months not realizing that a western Jeffersonian democracy, let alone a society that is even somewhat functional, was basically impossible over there.
Within a short period of time after that, the American public was told that “The smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud” if we didn’t preemptively strike Iraq. We did, and managed to destroy nearly all of the civil society and much of the infrastructure of Iraq. We then stood by while a sectarian civil war further destroyed Iraq and many of our own soldiers in the process. Saddam Hussein was a terrible despot, but I have a hard time believing that the cost in American and coalition lives, Iraqi lives (which was believed to be in the hundreds of thousands), and the trillions of dollars was worth it.
A friend of mine from high school was in Iraq for a time during his USMC service. He was a Harrier mechanic, so luckily he saw no front line combat duty (that I know of). He told me that Iraq was basically Vietnam for the 21st century, a quagmire in which we should never have been involved.
A few years later the “Arab Spring” swept across much of the Middle East and Northern Africa. These movements swept away many of the authoritarian governments, some of which were nominal allies of the United States. With particular emphasis on Libya, Egypt, and Syria, the government decided to side with the people of these places whether or not those people were “friendly” to US interests. We bombed Libyan military targets to help overthrow Gaddafi. We pressured Mubarak to leave the Egyptian presidency. We supplied rebel fighters in Syria to help overthrow Assad.
And what have been the results of this? Libya is in a state of civil war. Egypt has had an election, resulting in the Muslim Brotherhood taking over, then leading to a military coup. Egypt is effectively still led by an authoritarian government, and is less friendly to American interests than before. Syria has turned into a meat grinder where over 200,000 civilians have died, chemical weapons and “barrel bombs” have been employed, and some of the rebels that fought Assad are now part of ISIS.
Now, some of the very same politicians that demanded our involvement in some or all of the US led interventions in the Middle East are demanding more intervention to fight ISIS. When Someone like myself is showing reluctance toward intervention, it isn’t because my “head is in the sand”, it is because American involvement in the Middle East rarely has the desired outcome. Our foreign policy is an absolute mess, and more war and more meddling does not help this.
Our position isn’t because we are “children” pal, far from it, it’s because we have “seen this movie before.”
"not because the United States is involved. "
-Years of meddling US foreign policy that involved overthrowing ‘unfriendly’ governments in the Middle East and arming rebel fighters to fight said governments isn’t the major cause of instability in the Middle East
-The US never armed Mujaheddin fighters in the 80s to fight the Soviets, fighters who totally did not launch strikes on the US on 9/11, ushering in the age of the American police state.
-The US didn’t send $500m in weapons to Al Qaeda in Libya, which is cited as a causing factor of the Benghazi incident.
-Obama wasn’t equipping Syrian rebels under the table while lobbying to the American people and congress start launching military strikes against Assad’s regime. Also pretends the CIA at this time wasn’t running a clandestine operation to train “moderate opposition” in Jordan.
-These rebels armed by the US in Libya and Syria, as well as forces in Egypt emboldened after the failed US backed revolution, totally did not band together to form ISIS, causing a massive uprising in the world of Islamic extremism that led to an invasion of an over equipped and poorly trained Iraqi Army, which was totally not left in a deplorable state after years of a failed US occupation, and ISIS totally did not capture even more US weapons and equipment that never should have been there in the first place.
-This is all because the United States HASN’T DONE FUCKING ENOUGH ALREADY in order to ‘combat’ the religious extremists popping up all over the middle East, who are clearly all pissed off because of “Western Values” and “our freedoms”.
-The evidently corrupt and oligarchical US government has not become increasingly servile to the military-industrial complex and totally isn’t playing Lord of War to stir up extremists across the globe in order to drum up support for increased erosion of our constitutional and natural rights at home.
-Everyone who disagrees is clearly a child who wants to stick their head in the sand, and not just people who aren’t falling for the played out nationalistic “American Exceptionalism” bugle call that totally has not wasted trillions of dollars of US taxpayer money. So, clearly, what the US needs to do- instead of not playing the same stupid games with people’s lives, is the same failed imperialistic interventionist strategy it’s been using for years and hope that THIS TIME, things will be different and everything will work out.